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Joell Ortiz & Arsonist Reveals Secrets Behind 'W.A.R.' Album | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
Oct 28, 2024
Subscribe to Sway’s Universe for exclusive interviews and thought-provoking discussions on hip-hop and social change! Dive deep into the raw truth about hip-hop today with Joell Ortiz and Arsonist on Sway In The Morning. In this captivating conversation, Joell Ortiz, hailed as the best Puerto Rican rapper alive, shares his candid thoughts on the current state of the hip-hop industry and the celebration of mediocrity. Joined by the legendary producer Arsonist from The Heatmakerz, they discuss their powerful new album "W.A.R." (With All Respect) featuring heavyweights like Styles P and M.O.P. Uncover the symbolism behind their album artwork and explore how they aim to redefine what hip-hop can achieve. Don't miss their insights into the industry's evolution and the importance of genuine artistry. Watch now for a dose of authenticity and subscribe for more from Sway’s Universe, where music meets meaningful dialogue! #w.a.r.albumreview #hiphopindustryinsights #musicproduction #musicproducer #howtomakebeats CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Joell Ortiz 00:33 - Music Industry Evolution 03:21 - The Plague Doctor Concept 08:27 - Kid 'N Play Respect 14:59 - Arsonal Insights 18:59 - Artist Development Importance 22:00 - Mama Loves Me Tribute 27:31 - The 3 Wars Explained 33:03 - Arsonist on Slaughterhouse Era 37:00 - Joe Budden's Slaughterhouse Reflections 37:50 - Shout Out to Slaughterhouse & "W.A.R."
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ladies and gentlemen the best Puerto Rican rapper
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alive the top 2% MC's in the game right now and it's I swear to you if you want
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to argue with me cool but I'm not going to take your opinion seriously I've been here way too long to be arguing over
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who's the top right we all got our feelings but I know through credentials
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and through fundamentals that this man is give it up for Joel Ortiz man
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[Music] [Applause] arsonist I listened to this album and it
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it sounded the songs that were on this project to me um redefin what we can do
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with hip-hop right you know some of the the beats that you have um Joelle some
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of the music that you have Joelle performing on uh including the song So
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loss right that we just played and and in this song Joel you you talk about
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your disappointment um in the industry U being a supreme Lyricist you you feel
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like the industry and some ways have devolved yeah um what does that mean
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devolved well when I when I talk like that it's from a fan standpoint just so you know it's like not from an artist
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standpoint sometimes so um as a fan I feel like we might have took a step back
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on what we cherish and prioritize um
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attention is a hell of a drug yes yeah um and uh it's tough as tough as a uh
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somebody that takes real pride and and buses his tail to make sure that he says
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something that's meaningful and sticks because I know this is God's voice I don't want to waste it by trying to chase Trends I don't really care what's
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in style I'm always going to make sure it aligns with my spirit right um and feel like the absence of that it used to
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ride the Forefront being talented used to ride the Forefront it's almost a bonus now if you're good to to go
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alongside with your popularity wow you you get what I'm saying it used to be the other way you had to be good first
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then you become popular from being good uhhuh now it's like let's become popular and try to become good while people
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watch you right um it's a weird it's a weird space and um we now celebrate in
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my eyes as a fan I'm not knocking anybody we celebrate a lot of mediocrity in music that's a fact you know arson is
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you feel like um how is I mean at the same time the music the culture keeps expanding and and people keep on
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streaming and it keeps reaching new heights but do you feel like this this celebration of mediocrity has been a
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detriment to the culture of course CU we we look at music all wrong nowadays like
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music isn't tangible anymore we barely get CDs we barely get vinyl so that
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tells you we selling a feeling right so if the feeling's not there what are you really selling nothing so we wanted to
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give you a feeling on this project from top to bottom so you felt like you paid for something you know what I'm saying
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like this is more than just good beats with good RS this is like this is wellth
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thought out records from top to bottom the artwork on this album is
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symbolic right can you the plague doctor the plague doctor now if you see this picture look like a a a human Crow face
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right right and cuz we see it throughout our lives but we don't really know what it what it is what is the plague doctor and how do you interpret it so the
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reason I picked it for the the the artwork is because the plague doctor's job was to go around after the plague
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and pretty much clean up all the bodies all the debris everything that was you know so inside of that peak in their
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nose they they would have a like a incense stick to to keep all the bad smells out so they could do their job
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right mhm so the symbolism with this album was no matter what was going on me and
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Joelle had to do our job as musicians and for lack of better words kind of clean up the nonsense that was going on
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and you know what I mean kind of like put our blinders on and just do what we do so it was similar to a plague doctor
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in that sense in the sense of we had to do our job no matter the circumstances yeah cuz you look left and right right
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and you see um some stuff I mean we come from a different era yeah so the stuff that we do is kind of like I said
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earlier it's kind of like it's getting pushed back a little bit like you have your outliers you have your great musicians that are still pushing pen
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forward but for the most part like it has taken a little step back as far as lyricism and message message goes um so
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if I'mma choose to still be a musician and still an artist and still create I got to be amongst us right but I got to
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make sure that while I'm amongst it people know who I am still you're still doing your job you get what I'm saying
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so I'm we walking through I'm walking through like uh book of Li mhm but I'm still being it is what it is out here
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I'll still chop a head like that's my thing but now I don't chop it in competition with like bars so to say I
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chop it with messages and honesty and and and things that align with my life because it's okay to talk about that
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stuff I feel like everybody's afraid to be vulnerable yeah you know what I'm saying like dogs like nobody wants to
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lose in their music anymore it's almost like I have to win I got to get the baddest chick I got to get the biggest
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bag I got to drive the best car I got to live in the biggest house it's like like you got to be real with yourself at some
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point not everybody lives like that and the person saying that probably you don't even live like that you and you're
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saying it you understand so it's like how long are we going to lie to the people to the fans you got to give them
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a dose of reality at some point and you know what else I'll be noticing to add to that point too it be disappointing
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sometimes because I see artists that I respect on a certain level and when they conform a bit cuz there's a difference
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between growth and Conformity okay you you can grow and still fit the mold of what stuff turned into because it's a
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natural process that happened and you around it and you still you in there but some artists I see making music that's
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outside of who they are and they think it's hitting because it even it might even pick pick up steam or end up in an
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algorithm it could happen yeah but it doesn't mean it's genuine to you and the
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the the heads the people that really pay attention we be knowing so it's like all right cool I get what you're doing and
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why you doing it but damn you're not the person was a fan of anymore and and and
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it's it's not cool man I'm scared to meet a lot of the artists I'm fans of why is that cuz I I don't want to be
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disappointed yeah you know what I mean like sometimes I'd rather be a fan from afar cuz when I meet him sometimes it's
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like damn this is the dude I listened to in the gym for the last three years and like him you know what I mean but almost
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like either their personality or their work ethic might disappoint you to where you're like this can't be the same
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person so I would rather be a fan from a all have the time sorry for the dark
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om stop first this is no sorry ain't
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even a a welcome word here okay okay and again I know you guys probably can't say it but I'm sure sometimes you're
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disappointed too when you meet turn you're like damn I say it all the time I know again I know you can't say that
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but it's like that sometimes it's like you love their music so much that when you meet them you almost expect a
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certain thing and then when you don't get that you like damn like this person
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you know what I mean so a lot of times I'd rather not meet him but sometimes I have to cuz I'm a producer so you know
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but do you do you continue producing after you meet a person that rubs you
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that way the whole situation will work itself out in in in the sense
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of if it doesn't work our separation it'll it'll
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happen relatively fast you know what I'm saying but if we because I I've been in
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the studio with people that at first it was terrible but after like maybe 20 30
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minutes of getting to really figure out why they're acting like that then we we can work things out but for the most
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part if we don't align then no cuz you know music is all about again like I
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said it's about feeling so if the feeling starts off wrong it's hard to recover from that so can I ask something
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real quick about do you have more respect for like the kidden plays and the the people who had the light-hearted
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humor raps back in the day that people were kind of like ah no I'm going to the gangster dude like do you look back at
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those sort of artists now and be like damn it was good to have that variety you know either it was clean or it was something you could play for your
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parents and that sort of thing like it it breaks up the monotony of what you're talking about with everybody trying to follow the cool guy well I I I'll speak
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for myself growing up I needed the DMX's and the biggies and the and I needed that because that that was the
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environment I grew up in it was hard for me to listen to like in no disrespect to Like A Tribe Called Quest but my
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environment didn't lend to that I'm from the Bronx like Gun Hill Boston Road that
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type of area so it was like the picture that was painted was the picture of Biggie and and DMX and
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Nas and and that type of vibe you know what I'm saying like kiden play was cool but it didn't represent where I was from
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so it it's hard to really listen to that and Champion that at that stage of my life h i mean it's crazy cuz like when
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you say Ken and play now I automatically go to the house party scene in my head of course like it's like yes like the
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kicking and the danc around like so it added a smile element to hip-hop like it don't got to be so rough out here like
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you can actually have fun and dance and stuff like that so like yeah I like I like celebrating that kind of stuff too
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you know what I mean so yeah K and play is legendary bro legendary I loved House Party by the way I just neverin like I
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cannot see house party when you say K and play which is crazy they've done other stuff but that's the one that scene is the one
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um so the sub the the album is called war and it's a acronym with all respect
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yeah and so these things you are saying I think when you say with all respect
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yeah it's not personal no at all this is just our observation if you see a plague doctor dragging a body off the floor
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with all respect you got to do that got that's his job right so same same thing with this album if a line hits you with
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all respect you know what I'm saying been at it too like been at it too long
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to be out here trying to blend in like that's not my game like I'm not I don't play games but like if I was playing a
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game it wouldn't be blend in with what's going on it' be stand out that's where we came from we I came from an era where
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artists wanted to be individuals like you know and I feel like part of the reason that music current music is
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suffering a little bit is because it's this formula oh snap that's winning how
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do we get as close to that as we can because that sounds winning yeah when I was when I came up it was like stay out
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the dock cuz if I catch you when I'm like who the hell is that DMX because he and he made sure he sounded like
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DMX and that it was on purpose and then you you know you had snagle puss and then you know you had characters people
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trying Nas was just the the ashiness like you had that individuality you knew people in 3 seconds when they jumped on
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on a song Big Pun that was celebrated like yo we would we would trash like as a young
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kid when I was recording I would trash songs that sounded like somebody like now you know what I was listening to J
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for too long like what what do I think here this is this feels like uh politics is usual we can't do this you know what
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I mean yeah you did do that you know it's interesting because we hated that bro if you sounded like somebody else
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it's like it's like you cheating you know this ain't you but the public may not know it's not you and then you're
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winning off of somebody else's work off of somebody else's jour journey and I
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recall seeing we had the baby up here um who spoke on his own generation M
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um what you saying now everybody sounding alike you can't tell one from the other and his plight to be
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distinguished I think Polo G yes came up here these are younger artist that have said the same thing and I recently saw
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Snoop and Dr Dre mentioned that they don't like having just a slew of producers on one album perhaps that's
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part of the problem arson is as a celebrated critically acclaimed producer what is your thoughts on that having
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multiple producers on one project I agree with them because I feel like what happens is when you have multiple
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producers every producer is trying to give you that hit record and sometimes you don't need that sometimes you need
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the album fillers like good album records you know what I'm saying and with a bunch of producers they don't
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think like that they think like let let me give him my best track that I have in my Arsenal you know what I'm saying and
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you don't need that half the times like with this project a bunch of producers couldn't have gave him all that
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music cuz it wouldn't have sounded like that so I fully agree with Dr Snoop yeah
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1 million per. it also makes a very cohesive yes project as well um and this
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is brilliant this is a brilliant ofla body of work with all respect just one
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like I called you last night I was walking in the hallway today and Tracy pulled me aside to say this bro this is
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exceptional oh thank this is Advanced storytelling Advanced produ you I need
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to hear things like this man yeah yeah because I'm locked in the studio so much that when I hear things like that it
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lets me know that I'm not bugging no cuz sometimes you you know if you're by yourself long enough you think you're
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bugging or if you see people celebrating something that just won't resonate with you you like what's happening to my ear
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yeah you you I know you go through that this is hitting it ain't hitting to me I don't get it cuz you got to remember
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for months I'm in my car and in my crib listening to Mama loves me and soul lost before before the world heard it so I'm
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like these records are special and my bug this it feels special you know what I'm saying so to hear you say that to
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hear you say that it's almost like you know it's just it's a great feeling I love music my bad I just love music not
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just our music I just love music that reminds you that music is audio verse mhm because it's such a visual world now
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that people forgot like yo dogs like what you hear is supposed to touch you you ain't got to see it sometimes right
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you know what I mean like so yeah man and that's why you know my playlist it reverts back to 80s and 70s songs cuz it
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was all audio it was all like yo they were in there tuning up records and mix it mix it again let me hit that master
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switch the drum add that all mattered it was all audio you didn't see Michael Jackson that's why you fainted when you
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did yeah that's true literally faint you know
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H that's we got the arson is here big round of applause Jo Joel Ortiz is here
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the project is called war with all respect arsonist you used the Peter Gabriel sample in your eyes and that was
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cuz of Joel he actually um he brought that sample to me one day in the studio and said he um you know he [ __ ] with the
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record yeah that record meant so much I wonder if the meaning of that record and and Ty if you could put the camera on DB
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I'm going to have him um chime in on this had any relevance in the song so lost and ZB can you talk about the
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meaning behind that I mean I know you're a big movie fan cuz you just talked about it but just you know everybody knows that song from say anything with
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the boom box scene and you know what I mean uh so when I was listening to the sample of immediately I was just like
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wow I wonder what made him choose this or what made arsonist you know start with this beat and maybe suggest it to
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you um and and also when I was looking up the song There's a a sort of a duality in the meaning of the lyrics and
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one of them is you know because it's called in your eyes some it could be interpreted as in the eyes of God or in
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the eyes of a relationship of love and I mean there's so much more stuff I could go deep down the nerdy rabbit hole but I
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just wanted to know why that song of all the songs like the sample for for that record well I brought him that sample
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I'm not going to sit here and act like I knew about The Duality between God and lust and all that stuff I didn't know that stuff it didn't go that deep it was
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once again it was just a audio feeling like I always felt that record when it
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came on you get what I'm saying like whenever I came across it whether it was you know when I my childhood and I revert back to the way it made me feel
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when I heard it when I was young um so it it was I shazamed it in the car one day I'm like I I just love this song I
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love the way this feels and I shazamed it and I made sure I went went to the studio I'm like dog I think we should do something with this so I wasn't well
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versed on the record just so happens that sometimes when music is strong
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strong it'll go back to what it's supposed to be anyway so the my subject
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matter ended up aligning with the original message yeah you know what I mean of like being true to yourself and
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saying what you see in your eyes and also it touched touched on God and it
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touched on the lust that surround the music industry it's so crazy how it still came back home like without me
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even knowing so and I think that that's how music is supposed to be sometimes you feel what I'm saying like you don't
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know where you going you just go you get what I'm saying and then when you end up and you get to the destination you look
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you look left you look right and you go how does this sound you know what I mean like and and the first goal is not
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always the last goal you know what I mean I see a lot of young kids that produce now because we have kids that come through all the time and work with
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us and different stuff and it and it's like they they write they got an idea they put it down and that be that with
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the song I'm like wait whoa whoa whoa listen back you love it like yeah that's
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it that's it right there like how how like like mean like you it can't be that like what like that you get what I'm
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saying like the creative process has changed so much and that's why I feel like we get a lot of the stuff that you
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know first draft it's a rough draft that's the final product it's kind of it's kind of crazy and I when when when
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um when everybody had access to put out music originally you celebrate right cuz you like yo I come from a place where
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it's rough so anybody getting money you know you want a part of you wants to be like go ahead get your money young man you know I mean like we you know it's
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it's an outlet there's no more gatekeeping there's no more somebody that can you can walk in a Mee I walked in many meetings and they was like this
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ain't it go back to the block and do what you do because you ain't it and now you know you got a de you know decision
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right there like is he right or is she right nah let me get back in the studio go and then you go to another meeting
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you get excited this is highs and lows and because you're waiting on somebody to give you a chance so now that every
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it's the chance is available to everybody because the an anr is in your hand and everything is right there I I
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appreciate that part right but I don't appreciate the non artist development part of it yeah so we people's debuts is
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full of mistakes identities that's not true to them you know what I mean and this is what we get we go all right cool
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this is what you are like n by the time people got Joel I was polished yeah yeah
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it looked like I came out of nowhere but I was at it for years you know what I'm saying I I was finding out who I was
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along the journey there was people that was inside the studio with me be like try this even though I figured this out
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and I know I'm a painter sometimes when you sitting there playing chess you don't see the obvious moves yeah
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somebody over your shoulder is like dog do that and you got to be able as an artist to be like yeah you're right let
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me try to channel that yeah and I missed that I I know I know when it when it when it sounds thought out when it's
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clever when the art you see how you talking about the artwork he thought about that for a second and and and it
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didn't come early in the music it came late in the music like you know what this is to me this and he sent me this image and I'm like what the hell is this
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but that's because the music Spokes and evoked some sort of emotion that made him say wow it's like we going through
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the weeds of what it is like this is honest music and I miss people taking their time making music I'll be honest
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with you sway if I could listen to my own work over and over again I know it's good I can't really listen to a lot of
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the stuff I do repeatedly uhhuh I kind of do it and put it to the side like with this project I've been listening to
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it for the last better part of four or five months you know what I'm saying in the car in
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the gym in the crib in headphones big speakers little speakers you understand like I just want to make sure I'm not
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bugging and I know I'm not bugging now if you don't mind if you don't have
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to but can you give me an example of music you made in the past though that that I don't listen to like that yeah um
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I know this is going to sound crazy and it's not because I don't like it but I don't really go back and listen to diplomatic imunity I did 11 Tracks on it
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I don't really go back and listen to it because I feel like I've progressed so much as a producer it's almost hard for
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me to go back and listen to that sometimes cuz I hear my mistakes in there you know what I'm saying um damn that was a classic crazy yo we got a
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problem with that that's when you know you're on the next level when you don't go back to your classic stuff but we are toughest critic
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go ahead um like um uh Joel Santana's first album I did 12 on from me to you I
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don't really go back and listen to that like that um the only two projects I currently listen to that I did is is is
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the project I did with Joel now and El Capo and El Capo yeah cuz by the time
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you got to El Capo I I I felt like I was a producer when I got to ELO before that
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I was just a guy that made beats I think you know what I mean I became a producer around time I want to give an example of
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what they're talking about um and then I'm opening up the phone lines there's a song called Mama loves me thank you Sway
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and in this song that's what I was going to suggest too she and I we work together way too long I don't even have
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to say [ __ ] this happens all day too like they give me anything I don't have a mind of my own on she now yall W up
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here kid if Heather was here we'll be three of us finishing a sentence but
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mama loves me he talked about you go to record labels earlier and they'll say this not
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it but back then you went to them they said you was too chubby right you had a manager that went into the feds for five
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years at a time that you really needed money yeah but when I start tearing up and this is actually what made me call
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you cuz it wasn't I don't listen to songs albums in sequential order whatever I go by filling and and I heard
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you reminiscing of a time being with your mom and knowing that you would walk by certain
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areas and your mom would tell you to walk ahead and you knew she was cooping drugs yeah then she'll come in the house
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and she'll disappear in the room and do what she do and you had to pretend like
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everybody knew but that they didn't yeah take us back to that time man what what
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went on in that kid's head at that time who was you then
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um so a lot of that stuff it shows up in my personality
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now cuz for so long I'm like why do I have anxiety like yeah why do I have
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this angst things are working out for me I walk with the Lord I feel like music is my calling and it's working why am I
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on edge and it's those childhood traumas now my M like my mom is clean now okay
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you know you know come on 15 20 I don't know she stopped counting it's over she don't do drugs she good
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right but in those moments being seven and eight and knowing what was going on cuz like all right so a drug dealer to a
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eight-year-old is a potential killer right he's standing there he got a gold
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chain on he looks crazy to you when you ate SC you know he's a there's good guys and bad guys when you that small he was
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a bad guy why my mom's telling me walk ahead so she could talk to a bad guy and then I know what she doing because her
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whole mood changes when she come out the room so I'm like she nigan I get it I
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understand but like every single time that happened and I talk about um not knowing if it's the last time that I'mma
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see her when my bus departs like cuz I'm like all right cool like she did what she just did what she did then she sending me off to school I'm waving she
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telling me have a good day or whatever but I don't know what that means is she GNA have a good day what about if that
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bad guy come back around what does that look like does she ow money maybe all of this stuff eight years old wow you know
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um um yeah so yeah that that stuff shows up in your 30s 40s and stuff like that
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you know what I mean like I don't mention it in the song but you know people knock on on the door I know you in there with my money stuff like you
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know I mean I'm just like yeah that you know I hated them people I hated drug dealers and then I ended up you end up
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becoming a drug dealer that's what made the second verse so dope to me crazy the second verse you became the person you
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hated roll versal yeah man um and then and then in that that
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experience I kind of realized how it could happen how you could turn into that person you know so I went from like
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the eight-year-old kid that's like I wish you all would die because y'all keep selling drugs to my mom to like oh
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snap I get it cuz all I all all that happened to me was I was in an
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environment full of them for too damn long that's it nothing nothing else
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happened except I was there too long he's getting money I'm broke he's
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getting girls I ain't getting them everybody's thinking they all cool I'm sitting there playing playing ball and writing Rhymes maybe I should try this
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for a little while just for a little while that's what you tell yourself and then you look you know as time
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progresses you become the monster you don't think you're the monster because you know who you are inside but like
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you're doing monstrous things Sabrina make sure you got my money don't play with me yo dog don't
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give me folded money this isn't stuff that's outside of me but I became it luckily my
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mom nipped it in the butt like right at the PE of it and I say she grabbed me by
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the chin and was like what are you what are you doing this is not you this is not my son she's high in that moment wow and we
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made an agreement we made an agreement she said if I stop messing with him would you will
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you I said I'll take you up on that I didn't think she could so in my mind I'm like yeah whatever I'm G still get money
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and I noticed the change yeah so I started writing Rhymes a little more than I the break I took I got off the
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break and started going back to the studio and reapo it and we here today um
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we here today good news Thursday jeez my God it let's play that song yes one of
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the most powerful songs you're going to hear today coming out of this genre mama loves me we got the arsonist here
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critically Acclaim record-breaking magnificent producer and individual it
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is this is way I know yeah man there he is there he is is I knew he I knew he
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going to come around there there he is not many like him trust me when I tell you the way
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he's introvert is his power yeah he switches it on and off see that keep
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that's why he the ill in the game man his observation is his weapon yes yes of
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mass construction let's let's save some for next time okay I got don't worry's not get too crazy I do it from the field
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baby just come off I'm staying in a moment damn it [ __ ] I want to stop greatness man you I'm
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going stay in the moment but um you have three songs called war on this album we
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have War welcome yeah which is with all respect welcome right then we have war with mop right yes which is just War but
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that's actually War because it's mop what we talking about you know what they talking about let's get to it um and
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then we have War the acronym with all respect with sty P so the World
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War uh can be applicable in many ways yeah right you know it's the war that
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you have against your your adversary right right and then it's the war that you have with yourself oh yeah right and
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and and is that meaning in this Pro oh it's definitely in there speak for sure
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um and and that that probably speaks to why I don't indulge in anything Street
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anymore like my life has evolved but I still talk about it but if I'm going to align with my truth then I got to talk
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about it in past tense you get what I'm saying so like you get songs like Fortune 500 where I talk about that but
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I say I remember when and I used to and don't forget I was because no matter how
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much I evolved and I grew that's still a part of me it's still in it's still in there it's still it still sustains in my
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spirit my personality sometimes because of them decisions so I'm constantly at war with the person I
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became and reflecting on who I who I good point before you were saying you have to have a certain amount of respect
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to even go to war with somebody mhm you know what I mean cuz you don't go to war with people you don't respect or at
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least you shouldn't right yeah Kendrick recently said in that Harper's bizarre profile that he believes Love and War
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need to coexist they have to to me you can't fully respect love unless you
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understand hate you understand mhm one can mean one can mean nothing without
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the other so it's like in order for me to say I love you I had to have experienced hate at some point in my
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life true hate to to to say now I truly love so it's kind of like it's the
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balance and yo once you once you once you realize that you have to engage in war whether it's outwardly or inwardly
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you have to like wrap your mind around the idea of I'm about to be
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uncomfortable and you have to live within that discomfort and find Comfort if that makes sense you get what I'm
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saying so like whether it's like you decide I'mma lose 30 lb well the Jim going to bust your ass
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yeah on it you're about to it's going to hurt all the way there um so like the M
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thank God my music has broken some generational curse curses in my family
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right like I got my mom out the project I move no no no Ortiz is in the projects anymore W jeez we got out of there wow
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we got out of there right but like there a random or right
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I'm I beg to differ my my my right wow man but like
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yo when you do that stuff it's no joking matter like we could laugh now but like when you breaking generational curses
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your family will fight you on it like it's a you pulling they will oh
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cuz that was their Norm that hold up that's why they were comfortable like me hitting my mom out the project was like
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ma come to my house want to stay for a day like it was just she was so in there like no no no no no no this is my
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routine I go here I go to there I know the 24-hour store I know they they know me what she was smoking weed at that point they bring me the weed like you
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know she's a superstar in that environment and she Joel son it was tough you know what I mean so like I
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would try to show stuff and it it would just almost come off semi braggy to her
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I'm like we can have more that's your life live your life live your life that's your life I'm
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here you know what I mean like you know family members cousins and all that type of stuff if you need you know you if you
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need a few dollars or whatever now I'm good I'm good it's like whoa same team
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y'all I promise I'm just trying to show y'all it's a little bit more than what we seeing yeah there's a little so like
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you got to be right right with that and nothing hurts more than leaving your loved ones like leaving out of a
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Thanksgiving dinner and stepping off and knowing then they about to talk about me damn as much as I love them they about
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to talk about me I already seen it I went to the bathroom he rumbl he think he was at Denver he said we talk about
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people that don't fly yeah you almost feel understand what I'm saying you feel guilty off of making money off of things
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that you love it's almost like survivor's remorse to a certain you know what I'm saying so it's a weird feeling
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man it's almost like you should be enjoying these moments but if everybody
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around you isn't enjoying it it feels weird to you yeah you know so especially when that's your that's your the that's
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the audience you want to care the most wow wow man uh man I want to thank
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y'all man this [ __ ] was necessary for me man this is like therapy I now I know I'm not crazy cuz no listen man no
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actually sway we are all we are well maybe maybe we are we all got stuff we got to deal with this this stuff be
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feeling good cuz we all know that we supposed to do this type of stuff a little more than we do yeah let's continue to do it man I I don't have and
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I got some war hats for y'all too man I was going to bring it but I was late today I was going to grab that but I got some more hats for you welome back man
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cuz I feel like you should bring some beats up here anyway with it man okay I'm de time listen man I'm ready I
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commend you no okay I commend you Joel um you know we've been friends arsonist
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as well man but we we've been a you know our friendship um you been in my mother's basement S I don't know if you remember man I've known you for some
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time s you rich nice you come on come on don't treat me like that that's
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that's why don't treat me like that sway you came to my mother's basement with Rich nice come on man over by Brother Ro
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come on come on so we got history sway I've known him longer than you Joel
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that's all right I I don't see sway as much but we I've known sway for a minute man yeah we
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we've been solid the same way and you've been the same person since since I met you I mean obviously you've evolved you
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know what I'm saying but as far as like the way you treat me you've been the same person I got to give it up for that man man arsonist man I appreciate that
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um man this is beautiful we got to do more of this I commend you I know this is a 15E anniversary of the slaughter
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house right and wow wow no no you know
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life be life and that's crazy though 15 y old dogs I know we got to get out of
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here but that feels like yesterday son right that's crazy that fill in 15 years
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ago yes what was that when it began not not what it went through no no no it's
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all good okay felt crazy dogs it felt I came into it as a solo artist man you know what I
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mean so like a a collaboration song turned into something none of us had planned it was unbelievable then we went
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and signed the Eminem yeah like dogs like it was it was Unreal it was Unreal
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yeah couldn't be scripted any better it's it's different now obviously for obvious reasons but everybody's still
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here yes yes doing whatever it is they're doing yes what was your Learning lesson out of this what did you what did
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you walk away with I know it was all the conflict I really wanted that other album to happen right wasn't going to
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happen I know y'all tried to do some other things not everybody was involved and not everybody was on board but here
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you are right 2024 this may be the best this the best
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project wow to date thank you man right like who's recording man I got cameras
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on everywhere baby definitely this is definitely one of on yeah this is it
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this is the best in my opinion right just well-rounded you know the reach of it all um from that experience what did
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you take away from it cuz you you know everybody ain't the same friends no more all yeah yeah well that's exactly what I
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took away with it right like keep writing in the literal sense and in the
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metaphoric sense meaning like you're the book there's some things that stick
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around longer in the book and there's some things that are chapters learn to differentiate and keep writing your
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story so I'm here today with another chapter of Joel Ortiz's story this time it involves my good friend arsonist and
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it's called War you get what I'm saying so anybody this is not just music this is just life yeah keep writing yo there
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was people that that were in my life that I thought would never not be in my life let's hope I get a couple chapters
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in this book say get rid of people after a chapter hope I get
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chap friends give a yeah let get a discount on the beach you stick
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around you got to pay for quality s that's when they got to run the footage back of sway saying it's the best
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project ever man oh damn can't you can't buy that be a weapon I'm
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joking like I'm joking man but yeah man it ain't gonna be nothing nothing is forever if and if it is a super special
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but you know you say some things when things ain't right that you wish you could say and I'm one of you wish you
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could have back and I'm one of them people CU that was a special time for me it didn't pan out the way I wanted it and so I felt the way yeah what do you
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with you could take back yeah what did you say um I wish I I I wish I
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didn't bow out uh as ear well there's a
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couple of things man I wish I would have just told dudes like yo guys remember
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remember the special stuff let's I know it's business and I know we all entrepreneurs and you're trying to get
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to different bags for different reasons and things like that but I wish I would have just said guys like we created
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something that was bigger than all of us individually yeah and it happened organically let's keep doing that like
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the rest of the stuff will show up but I wasn't there I wasn't there because I was living within like you selfish how
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you want more what are you talking about ownership this stuff like just stuff like things like that and I knew how important all of that stuff was but I
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didn't think it was more important than making music and I should have been like son Y whing what are you doing forget
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about this this and that let's keep making fire music fast forward War out now exactly there it is with all respect
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all respect I like that man shout out to those guys though Joel shout out to Roy shout out to King Crook and shout out to
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you man because y'all gave us something beautiful hey we were still one of the greatest groups ever created ever created man shout out to him and Paul
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everybody involved man but like he said the arsonist man get that man a round of
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applause come on with all respect yes that war project Joel Ortiz and on that
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note we have nothing nothing left to say all respect took my line he's a biter
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respect
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